DO NOT USE THE 3.1 PROGRAM!

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DO NOT USE THE 3.1 PROGRAM!

Postby Coach » Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:59 pm

The 3.1 program is obsolete. Using it is a waste of time.

You can use the background as an alt but only do so with the 4.0 program, 4.0 lighting diagrams, 2x2 or 2x4 lighting in all rooms, and provide accents in one room.
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Re: DO NOT USE THE 3.1 PROGRAM!

Postby kew-architect » Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:32 pm

I agree the program doesn't work.

However, on another note, I wonder if I should practice using recessed accent lights to light an entire room not just an accent wall?

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Re: DO NOT USE THE 3.1 PROGRAM!

Postby Coach » Mon Feb 10, 2014 2:47 pm

katherineewillis wrote:However, on another note, I wonder if I should practice using recessed accent lights to light an entire room not just an accent wall?

If you want to waste time, knock yourself out.
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Re: DO NOT USE THE 3.1 PROGRAM!

Postby kew-architect » Mon Feb 10, 2014 8:48 pm

Okay thanks - I won't bother then.
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Re: DO NOT USE THE 3.1 PROGRAM!

Postby jleg16 » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:20 pm

For everybody's reference to use alternate vignettes download the "C3TUT2W1" files in each of these locations and swap out for the original file in the NCARB file directory:

Alternates @ IronWarrior's Site (Slight difference between them):
http://www.ironwarrior.org/ARE/Building_Technology/Alt_Vignettes/
http://www.ironwarrior.org/ARE/Building_Technology/Alt_Vignettes/Custom%20Alternates/

Sajjad's Alternate @ AREForum:
http://www.areforum.org/up/Building%20Technology/Alt%20Practice%20Plans/Sajjad%27s%20Alts/

Per Coach DO NOT use old 3.1 Program for alternate vignettes, IE don't light any rooms with accent lights, just (1) accent wall!
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Re: DO NOT USE THE 3.1 PROGRAM!

Postby cblake » Mon Jan 19, 2015 12:45 pm

Just beginning to practice the vignette portions of this exam and I have what is probably a dumb question, but I can't figure out the answer. How do you know which program is the 3.1 and which is the 4.0? The program you can use remotely on NCARB's website is the 4.0 version correct? Just want to make sure I am studying the correct content so I'm not confused going into the test. Would be very grateful to anyone able to clarify this. Thanks!
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Re: DO NOT USE THE 3.1 PROGRAM!

Postby shortindiangirl » Mon Feb 02, 2015 12:06 am

cblake, if the program asks for 70fc, or all gyp ceilings you probably have the 3.1 program. It appears from Coach's comments that the 4.0 only has grid ceilings and accent cans. Also, light levels CANNOT illuminate the surfaces at that height to a 70fc level as far as I can tell.
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Re: DO NOT USE THE 3.1 PROGRAM!

Postby markarch » Thu Sep 03, 2015 12:47 pm

jleg16 wrote:For everybody's reference to use alternate vignettes download the "C3TUT2W1" files in each of these locations and swap out for the original file in the NCARB file directory:

Alternates @ IronWarrior's Site (Slight difference between them):
http://www.ironwarrior.org/ARE/Building_Technology/Alt_Vignettes/
http://www.ironwarrior.org/ARE/Building_Technology/Alt_Vignettes/Custom%20Alternates/

Sajjad's Alternate @ AREForum:
http://www.areforum.org/up/Building%20Technology/Alt%20Practice%20Plans/Sajjad%27s%20Alts/

Per Coach DO NOT use old 3.1 Program for alternate vignettes, IE don't light any rooms with accent lights, just (1) accent wall!


so do we always just use the 4.0 Program for all alts?? The alts I have are: Sajjad, AREForum 1 and 2, and the old 3.1 dwg.
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Re: DO NOT USE THE 3.1 PROGRAM!

Postby Coach » Thu Sep 03, 2015 1:00 pm

markarch wrote:so do we always just use the 4.0 Program for all alts?? The alts I have are: Sajjad, AREForum 1 and 2, and the old 3.1 dwg.


If an alts has different lighting diagrams, it can't hurt to use them, but never use incandescents/accents for area lighting.
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Re: DO NOT USE THE 3.1 PROGRAM!

Postby berzerkeley » Thu Oct 22, 2015 5:39 am

Coach wrote:
markarch wrote:so do we always just use the 4.0 Program for all alts?? The alts I have are: Sajjad, AREForum 1 and 2, and the old 3.1 dwg.


If an alts has different lighting diagrams, it can't hurt to use them, but never use incandescents/accents for area lighting.


Coach, I'm testing in 4.0 and did the CUSTOM ALT and SAJJAD ALT mechanical vignettes yesterday, and noticed a couple of things:
1) Both have lighting requirements (e.g., 70fc @ 3ft above floor for fluorescents) that are impossible to achieve with the NCARB 4.0 lighting diagrams.
2) Both stipulate using ONLY incandescents for area lighting in some rooms (which you say is a big no-no, above).

Should I take this to mean that we shouldn't be using these ALT vignettes at all for 4.0 (or at least picking and choosing program requirements)? Are the CUSTOM and SAJJAD ALTs for 3.1 or earlier? I ask only because it seems like a lot of people are using them for practice, and may be similarly confused. It's also possible I'm missing something. Thanks--
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Re: DO NOT USE THE 3.1 PROGRAM!

Postby Coach » Thu Oct 22, 2015 2:58 pm

berzerkeley wrote:Are the CUSTOM and SAJJAD ALTs for 3.1 or earlier?


They are based on 3.1.
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Program for ALT vignette

Postby romaks » Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:07 pm

Hey Everyone. I just downloaded the alt vignette (first link from below), but I can't find the program. Should I use the same program from the NCARB vignette?
Thanks!

markarch wrote:
jleg16 wrote:For everybody's reference to use alternate vignettes download the "C3TUT2W1" files in each of these locations and swap out for the original file in the NCARB file directory:

Alternates @ IronWarrior's Site (Slight difference between them):
http://www.ironwarrior.org/ARE/Building_Technology/Alt_Vignettes/
http://www.ironwarrior.org/ARE/Building_Technology/Alt_Vignettes/Custom%20Alternates/

Sajjad's Alternate @ AREForum:
http://www.areforum.org/up/Building%20Technology/Alt%20Practice%20Plans/Sajjad%27s%20Alts/

Per Coach DO NOT use old 3.1 Program for alternate vignettes, IE don't light any rooms with accent lights, just (1) accent wall!


so do we always just use the 4.0 Program for all alts?? The alts I have are: Sajjad, AREForum 1 and 2, and the old 3.1 dwg.
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Re: DO NOT USE THE 3.1 PROGRAM!

Postby irv_gomez » Sat Jun 10, 2017 8:54 am

jleg16 wrote:For everybody's reference to use alternate vignettes download the "C3TUT2W1" files in each of these locations and swap out for the original file in the NCARB file directory:

Alternates @ IronWarrior's Site (Slight difference between them):
http://www.ironwarrior.org/ARE/Building_Technology/Alt_Vignettes/
http://www.ironwarrior.org/ARE/Building_Technology/Alt_Vignettes/Custom%20Alternates/

Sajjad's Alternate @ AREForum:
http://www.areforum.org/up/Building%20Technology/Alt%20Practice%20Plans/Sajjad%27s%20Alts/

Per Coach DO NOT use old 3.1 Program for alternate vignettes, IE don't light any rooms with accent lights, just (1) accent wall!


How do you swap out the original file in the NCARB file directory? Trying to practice a different version of the vignette.
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Re: DO NOT USE THE 3.1 PROGRAM!

Postby Coach » Sun Jun 11, 2017 6:04 pm

irv_gomez wrote:How do you swap out the original file in the NCARB file directory? Trying to practice a different version of the vignette.


http://ironwarrior.org/ARE/Alt_Practice ... CARBPP.pdf

Those instructions are for 3.1. 4.0 is similar but file locations vary. On my machine it's C:\Program Files (x86)\NCARB\[division].

If you're using the online practice software you cannot install alts.
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Re: DO NOT USE THE 3.1 PROGRAM!

Postby jyll » Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:50 am

none of the iron warrior links work anymore...
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Re: DO NOT USE THE 3.1 PROGRAM!

Postby Coach » Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:22 pm

Looks like the bldg tech folder is gone but the rest is there.
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