Sajjad Alternate Attempt 1 + some thoughts on vignette logic

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Sajjad Alternate Attempt 1 + some thoughts on vignette logic

Postby JDnTexas » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:51 pm

Attached is my try at the Sajjad Alternate. Program included below from previous post.

My take on window wall - I think NCARB is trying to relay to you with a window wall that there are full height windows here (DUH RIGHT), so do not place beams in this wall and do not run joists into this wall. It would be safe to say in my mind that they are mandating the direction of the joists in that space by their placement of the window wall.

Yellow meets grey: there is much discussion about this simple rule and I too was confused at first... BUT STOP THINKING ABOUT IT. Again as coach and Mike have said this is not the real world, this is NCARB land. THEREFORE, on the first floor where yellow (first floor deck) meets grey (second floor deck); just place a beam. It's really that simple of a rule, just don't try to reason it out because you cannot.

Thoughts on the porch area at plan North in this vignette; I'm already using the joist size so I ran this the long direction to 1. utilize standard joist sizing and 2. minimize beam lengths required.


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Sajjad's Alternate's Very Humorous Program:
STRUCTURAL LAYOUT VIGNETTE
SUGGESTED TIME: 45 MINUTES

PROGRAM
NCARB realizes that candidates and former candidates spend long hours for reviewing the posts and concerns about their fitness. NCARB loves to see ARE candidates and Forum members physically fit therefore have invested a great amount of money to obtain the preliminary floor plan for the NCARB Fitness Center. Now you required to develop a roof framing layout for the portion of the building. The layout must accommodate the requirements given below:

Site/foundation
1. The site is going to have a great seismic activity when members try to release their frustration but do not consider any seismic activity and wind pressures for design purposed.
2. All of you already know NCARB doesn’t care for anything other than their own interests therefore, soils and foundation system should be assumed adequate for all standard and normal loads.
3. The distribution of concentrated or special loads need not be considered just like NCARB doesn’t consider wastage of candidate’s time due to their decisions.
4. Joists are sized to carry roof loads only.

Construction/ Materials
1. Structural steel/open web steel joists construction has been chosen for the roof structure type.
2. Steel beam sections are to be rolled or built-up.
3. The metal roof is capable of carrying loads on spans up to and including 5-ft.
General requirements
1. All portions of the roof framing are flat.
2. Cantilevers are prohibited.
3. Structural members must not extend into spaces adjacent to the program area.
4. Columns may be located within walls, including the window wall and any clerestory window wall.
5. Walls shown on the background floor plans may be designated as bearing walls.
6. Lintels must be shown at all openings in bearing walls.
7. The opening located between the Sajjad Yoga Hall and Lug-Nut’s Aerobics Hall must be unobstructed and column free.
8. The Sajjad Yoga Hall, Lug-Nut’s Aerobics and Damn NCARB Treadmill Room be column-free.
9. Window walls extend to the underside of the structure above.
10. The roof over the high ceiling space must be higher than the roof over the low-ceiling spaces.
• The Sajjad Yoga Hall and lug-nut aerobic hall requires a high ceiling with a top of structure height of 18 feet.
• The remaining spaces require a high ceiling with a top of structure height of 12 feet.
11. The structure must accommodate 2 clerestory windows at the following locations;
North wall of lug-nut aerobic hall.
West wall of Sajjad yoga hall.
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Re: Sajjad Alternate Attempt 1 + some thoughts on vignette l

Postby Coach » Wed Apr 19, 2017 5:17 pm

JDnTexas wrote:My take on window wall - I think NCARB is trying to relay to you with a window wall that there are full height windows here (DUH RIGHT), so do not place beams in this wall and do not run joists into this wall. It would be safe to say in my mind that they are mandating the direction of the joists in that space by their placement of the window wall.

No. All it's telling you is no to place a bearing wall there. And since you shouldn't use bearing walls at all, it's moot.

Yellow meets grey: there is much discussion about this simple rule and I too was confused at first... BUT STOP THINKING ABOUT IT. Again as coach and Mike have said this is not the real world, this is NCARB land. THEREFORE, on the first floor where yellow (first floor deck) meets grey (second floor deck); just place a beam. It's really that simple of a rule, just don't try to reason it out because you cannot.

It actually is real world and there is reason. The grading computer is only programmed to understand platform framing.

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Re: Sajjad Alternate Attempt 1 + some thoughts on vignette l

Postby hc3500 » Sun May 14, 2017 8:56 pm

Do you need a column on the North East corner of the waiting room?
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