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Ridiculous PPP Questions

Postby anonymous283 » Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:19 pm

Please see attached. First off a waiting room is sociopetal. People are gathering in close proximity to each other. I can't see that as being sociofugal. Secondly by having an open space where lots of social interaction occurs, I'd imagine people would get less stressed than if they were put into a tiny waiting room facing examination rooms...
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Re: Ridiculous PPP Questions

Postby anonymous283 » Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:08 pm

There's another test that says benches keep people in parks and you can still talk to someone next to you sitting on a bench...
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Re: Ridiculous PPP Questions

Postby anonymous283 » Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:40 pm

Since when is a bay of a ribbed vault comprised of 3 pairs of DIAGONAL arches? There are 2 diagonal arches that connect at the middle...
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Postby anonymous283 » Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:02 pm

I've done zoning in NYC and thought for sure the answer would be abef but alas I'm wrong once again... who knew minimum lot sizes were not fully addressed by the zoning code...
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Re: Ridiculous PPP Questions

Postby Coach » Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:05 pm

anonymous283 wrote:Please see attached. First off a waiting room is sociopetal. People are gathering in close proximity to each other. I can't see that as being sociofugal.

You're misreading. The analysis, which I agree with, assumes that people in that situation want a sociofugal space.

Secondly by having an open space where lots of social interaction occurs, I'd imagine people would get less stressed than if they were put into a tiny waiting room facing examination rooms...

In a medical facility, I disagree. Their analysis is correct.
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Re: Ridiculous PPP Questions

Postby Coach » Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:14 pm

anonymous283 wrote:There's another test that says benches keep people in parks and you can still talk to someone next to you sitting on a bench...

The question is not about parks generally, but a picnic gazebo specifically. Those areas are typically used for organized group functions. The question is not about promoting park usage.

Having been to many functions in such facilies, I agree with their analysis. The less formal the space, the greater the interaction and movement of participants. With a lot of fixed seating, people tend to stake their claims, groups develop, and transitioning is difficult and awkward.
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Re: Ridiculous PPP Questions

Postby Coach » Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:27 pm

anonymous283 wrote:I've done zoning in NYC and thought for sure the answer would be abef but alas I'm wrong once again... who knew minimum lot sizes were not fully addressed by the zoning code...

I agree with you. Minimum lot size is in every zoning ordinance I've worked with. Maybe not for every land use, but certainly residential.
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Re: Ridiculous PPP Questions

Postby anonymous283 » Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:46 pm

ballast has an occupancy load question where it didn't round up from .3. I thought it was standard practice to round up any fraction of an occupant just to be on the safe side. On the ARE do you never round up or do you always or do you for fractions equal to or more than .5
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Postby Coach » Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:57 pm

anonymous283 wrote:ballast has an occupancy load question where it didn't round up from .3. I thought it was standard practice to round up any fraction of an occupant just to be on the safe side. On the ARE do you never round up or do you always or do you for fractions equal to or more than .5

The question is more complicated than it seems and goes beyond traditional math.

Even saying it's related to occupant load doesn't make the answer easy.
Are you looking for the max number of occupants for a certain area? If so, always round down.
Trying to decide if you need two exits, the limit is 50 occupants, and your calc is 50.1... round up, ie, provide two exits.

As a general rule, round to safety.
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Re: Ridiculous PPP Questions

Postby anonymous283 » Thu Mar 15, 2018 4:03 pm

As a socialist, I find this question to be propaganda and a bad comparison :twisted: I mean if you could get labor from rural Mississippi to work NYC it would be cheaper than going non union...
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anonymous283 wrote:As a socialist, I find this question to be propaganda and a bad comparison

Regardless of how you feel, it is a fact that A is correct.

I mean if you could get labor from rural Mississippi to work NYC it would be cheaper than going non union...

Nope. First of all, you're assuming that qualified craftsmen will work for a lot less just because they're from an area with a lower cost of living.
Which leads to a second point you're ignoring. Even if base wages are lower, in order for crews to go far afield of their base, and that does happen on occasion, you must factor in housing and per diem costs.

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Postby thd7t » Fri Mar 16, 2018 5:38 am

anonymous283 wrote:Since when is a bay of a ribbed vault comprised of 3 pairs of DIAGONAL arches? There are 2 diagonal arches that connect at the middle...

Each "rib" of a Gothic Vault is made up of a triplet of collonettes. These are what they're referencing. Take a look at St. Denis for a good example.
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Re: Ridiculous PPP Questions

Postby thd7t » Fri Mar 16, 2018 5:39 am

anonymous283 wrote:As a socialist, I find this question to be propaganda and a bad comparison :twisted: I mean if you could get labor from rural Mississippi to work NYC it would be cheaper than going non union...

Surely you've received questions before a bid asking if they're required to use "prevailing wage"...
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Re: Ridiculous PPP Questions

Postby nickedemus » Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:39 pm

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anonymous283 wrote:Surely you've received questions before a bid asking if they're required to use "prevailing wage"...


Ohhhhhhhhhh prevailing wage, how I loathe thee and your horrible, impenetrable tables.

anonymous283 wrote:As a socialist, I find this question to be propaganda and a bad comparison :twisted: I mean if you could get labor from rural Mississippi to work NYC it would be cheaper than going non union...


Yes, and actually out of state non-union workers regularly travel 2hrs each way for the prevailing wage job that I'm on now. They're seriously raking in the dough $$. As long as you have a certain amount of union workers, it's ok.

We were laughing at one of the coordination meetings because the two flagmen that we have temporarily stationed on the construction road are making more than $68/hr. They literally sit in their trucks all day and wave at people.

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Re: Ridiculous PPP Questions

Postby nickedemus » Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:42 am

To get back to the original topic, I also found the study material for PPP to be totally random and unhelpful. It seemed like there was no rhyme or reason to it. The test seemed to be a catch-all for whatever, and I seriously contemplated smashing my car into something and causing a minor accident as I drove to the testing center so that I would not have to take the test. But I did take the test, and I passed. As I recall, PPP was actually a lot like CDS.

After my PPP experience, I pretty much abandoned Kaplan and Ballast. I personally found them to be more harmful than helpful.
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Re: Ridiculous PPP Questions

Postby anonymous283 » Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:32 am

Thank you all for the replies, especially from the coach. I've got some more here. I've got 3 study materials telling me 3 different things. Kaplan 85, ncarb 80, chen, 70 for painful db
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Postby anonymous283 » Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:43 am

How aren't codes and regulations such as setbacks not apart of programming? I see it in william pena's dumb thing.
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Postby anonymous283 » Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:47 am

really the estimate one isn't more accurate? Also chen question 78 about greywater is wrong.
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Postby anonymous283 » Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:12 pm

Questions 81,83,84,85 are something else. 81) huh? I was almost certain its life cycle analysis costs. You do life cycle cost analysis for conventional projects and cradle to grave is what LEED is all about. 83) We should know what ODP and all these other abbreviations stand for? lol. 84) I'd argue scraps from a manufacturing process is also post-consumer. 85) ... yea not gonna memorize that.
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Postby anonymous283 » Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:29 pm

How is B not the correct answer? They argue that B would make beds too far from existing ancillary facilities yet in A there are towers which would require such facilities on each floor or be far away. B would be the most economical way to expand a hospital.
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Re: Ridiculous PPP Questions

Postby anonymous283 » Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:31 pm

Rofl every shopping mall I've ever been to has been linear... (Axial is the right answer according to Kaplan)
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Postby anonymous283 » Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:34 pm

They say precinctual (I don't think that pattern was even covered in the study material)... What happened to cardo and decumanus (grid)?
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Postby anonymous283 » Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:45 pm

Since when can't you sense the quality of a space from touch? I think blind people would disagree.
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Re: Ridiculous PPP Questions

Postby anonymous283 » Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:59 pm

Ballast has a similar question and they say 300 to 400 sq ft per car is required. Kaplan says 400 sq ft. But I think both are wrong. 90 degree parking requires 24 foot wide lanes with 18 foot long parking spots on each side (60 feet total). So I took 325 cars divided by 2 for one side of parking x 9 feet per car = 1467 feet x 60 feet = 88020 divided by 43560 = 2 acres. The more parking spots you have, the more efficient this system is. For this instance you get 270 sq ft per car.
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Postby anonymous283 » Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:17 pm

This one is just plain dumb (I said B, they say D). The question asks what space can't an exit path go THROUGH FROM THE CAFETERIA. You can't start from the cafeteria and go THROUGH the dining terrace to an exit without going through the cafeteria again, and if this is allowed then all options would be viable since you could do the same in the electric games room...
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Postby anonymous283 » Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:20 pm

Umm this is what suburban sprawl is and that's the antithesis of sustainable design.
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Re: Ridiculous PPP Questions

Postby thd7t » Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:21 pm

anonymous283 wrote:This one is just plain dumb (I said B, they say D). The question asks what space can't an exit path go THROUGH FROM THE CAFETERIA. You can't start from the cafeteria and go THROUGH the dining terrace to an exit without going through the cafeteria again, and if this is allowed then all options would be viable since you could do the same in the electric games room...

The dining terrace may not go to grade. In addition, exits must end at a public way. The dining terrace would not fit that.
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Postby thd7t » Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:24 pm

anonymous283 wrote:Thank you all for the replies, especially from the coach. I've got some more here. I've got 3 study materials telling me 3 different things. Kaplan 85, ncarb 80, chen, 70 for painful db

First, don't trust Gang Chen. Second, they're also not saying they're all painful. One says "fatiguing". One talks about safety. They're just different questions with different answers.
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Postby thd7t » Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:25 pm

anonymous283 wrote:Ballast has a similar question and they say 300 to 400 sq ft per car is required. Kaplan says 400 sq ft. But I think both are wrong. 90 degree parking requires 24 foot wide lanes with 18 foot long parking spots on each side (60 feet total). So I took 325 cars divided by 2 for one side of parking x 9 feet per car = 1467 feet x 60 feet = 88020 divided by 43560 = 2 acres. The more parking spots you have, the more efficient this system is. For this instance you get 270 sq ft per car.

Your proposed 270 square feet wouldn't include entry/exit drive or turning space. The rules of thumb allow for the incidental spaces.
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Postby thd7t » Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:27 pm

anonymous283 wrote:How aren't codes and regulations such as setbacks not apart of programming? I see it in william pena's dumb thing.

This is a dumb question and they're just wrong.
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Re: Ridiculous PPP Questions

Postby anonymous283 » Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:27 pm

I answered a, they say b. high ceiling in hot arid? That contradicts caroline's notes based off of kaplan which says go compact
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Postby thd7t » Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:28 pm

anonymous283 wrote:really the estimate one isn't more accurate? Also chen question 78 about greywater is wrong.

Both are estimates, but comparable estimates are not very accurate. However, again, I would keep away from Gang Chen's stuff.
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Postby thd7t » Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:29 pm

anonymous283 wrote:Questions 81,83,84,85 are something else. 81) huh? I was almost certain its life cycle analysis costs. You do life cycle cost analysis for conventional projects and cradle to grave is what LEED is all about. 83) We should know what ODP and all these other abbreviations stand for? lol. 84) I'd argue scraps from a manufacturing process is also post-consumer. 85) ... yea not gonna memorize that.

These are all awful questions.
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Postby anonymous283 » Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:30 pm

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anonymous283 wrote:This one is just plain dumb (I said B, they say D). The question asks what space can't an exit path go THROUGH FROM THE CAFETERIA. You can't start from the cafeteria and go THROUGH the dining terrace to an exit without going through the cafeteria again, and if this is allowed then all options would be viable since you could do the same in the electric games room...

The dining terrace may not go to grade. In addition, exits must end at a public way. The dining terrace would not fit that.


I'm confused. That's what I'm saying. B is the correct answer not D.
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Postby thd7t » Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:30 pm

anonymous283 wrote:How is B not the correct answer? They argue that B would make beds too far from existing ancillary facilities yet in A there are towers which would require such facilities on each floor or be far away. B would be the most economical way to expand a hospital.

I sort of remember this question and thought the same way you did, but I think that the argument they make is that the expansion in B is pretty tiny and limited.
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Postby thd7t » Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:31 pm

anonymous283 wrote:Rofl every shopping mall I've ever been to has been linear... (Axial is the right answer according to Kaplan)

There used to be a lot of cross planned malls, but yeah, bad question.
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Postby thd7t » Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:33 pm

anonymous283 wrote:They say precinctual (I don't think that pattern was even covered in the study material)... What happened to cardo and decumanus (grid)?

They don't say "Roman Planning". They say "Rome". It's a bad distinction, but they probably assume you'll imagine the Nolli Plan and remember the precincts.
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Postby thd7t » Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:33 pm

anonymous283 wrote:Since when can't you sense the quality of a space from touch? I think blind people would disagree.

This question is so stupid.
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Postby thd7t » Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:35 pm

anonymous283 wrote:Umm this is what suburban sprawl is and that's the antithesis of sustainable design.

It's not suburban sprawl in Boston... Suburban sprawl sometimes follows contours, but that's not what makes it sprawl.
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Postby thd7t » Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:37 pm

anonymous283 wrote:I answered a, they say b. high ceiling in hot arid? That contradicts caroline's notes based off of kaplan which says go compact

Seriously? Surely you thought about the fact that heat rises and knew that this kind of question is a gimme...
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