Bubble diagram question

[alenb]

Bubble diagram is most often used as a tool during what phase of the design?

A) Pre-construction
B) Scheduling
C) Construction Documents
D) Schematic Design
E) Programming

My answer D & E.

[alenb]

Anyone????

[Coach]

SD

[alenb]

Coach,
Is it not true that during programming one shall use:
Bubble diagram; matrix chart and blocking and stacking tools as early represenations of the plans and adjacency studies?
These ones are the first steps of visual representation to the client and I personally have used them in my practice many times to convey clients needs and problems.
Thanks

[Coach]

It's a tough call. I see the bubble diagram as the beginning of SD, but it could be at the end of programming.
Go with whatever AHPP says.

[benlink]

It's a tough call. I see the bubble diagram as the beginning of SD, but it could be at the end of programming.
Go with whatever AHPP says.

Whole Building Design Guide says: "A familiar example of a programmatic strategy is the relationship or "bubble" diagram. These diagrams indicate what functions should be near each other in order for the project to function smoothly."

Under number four of the six step step strategy laid out here: http://www.wbdg.org/design/dd_archprogramming.php

[alenb]

It's a tough call. I see the bubble diagram as the beginning of SD, but it could be at the end of programming.
Go with whatever AHPP says.

Whole Building Design Guide says: "A familiar example of a programmatic strategy is the relationship or "bubble" diagram. These diagrams indicate what functions should be near each other in order for the project to function smoothly."

Under number four of the six step step strategy laid out here: http://www.wbdg.org/design/dd_archprogramming.php

Benlink,
Than the answer to my question (above) would it be programming NOT SD correct?

[Coach]

http://www.aia.org/aiaucmp/groups/aia/d ... 097759.pdf

[Bamla]

Than the answer to my question (above) would it be programming NOT SD correct?

Based on the Document coach posted Yes

[benlink]

Correct, that is my understanding from both study material and experience. They can be used in both. Especially if you don't have a programming phase (separate contract), bubble diagrams are very useful during schematic.

With regard to the multiple choice, because programming is listed, programming would be the best answer in my opinion. I have not picked through the link Coach posted, FYI.

[alenb]

Correct, that is my understanding from both study material and experience. They can be used in both. Especially if you don't have a programming phase (separate contract), bubble diagrams are very useful during schematic.

With regard to the multiple choice, because programming is listed, programming would be the best answer in my opinion. I have not picked through the link Coach posted, FYI.

I have picked up coach's link and I read this before, programming is the answer.
Thanks all.

[NacerM]

I agree, it kin of makes sense that programming is the answer. because in schematic design you start sketching the building.

[lblaszka]

Programming is not part of "Design", per se. It is pre-design, technically. Personally I would have ruled that out and gone w SD.

[archtime]

In the B202: Programming it lists "relationship diagrams" and "flow diagrams" as project deliverables.

[hnQ_9999]

At the end of Programming, the Owner will approve all the
Prog Deliverables, including Bubble Diagram.
The Architect job in SD is to turn such Diagram(s) into Basic Drawings.
There is no reason to work on the diagram(s) anymore, architecturaly.
The deliverables at the end of SD will not contain Bubble Diagram
(assuming Spatial Bubble Diagram we are talking about here).
However, at SD, Engineers still working on their systems analysis,
mainly comparison, selecting systems (bases on our diagrams), hence
engineers's bubble (or not) diagrams still exist.
So Coach is correct in a generic way. I wish the question was more
specific, because nobody says "Bubble Diagram" without a
prefix or suffix describing what it is about (spaces, hvac zones,
power load...).
Yet, to answer a test question, the law of "most correct one" dictates
the answer to be (E), IMHO.
(And thank you Coach, being an IDP exempt person, I didn't know such
a good document/link do exist)