dab11 wrote:I see a lot of hate on here for NCARB. Just curious as to why some of you feel that way?
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gbalaka wrote:dab11 wrote:I see a lot of hate on here for NCARB. Just curious as to why some of you feel that way?
If this is not the place for such a discussion feel free to delete coach. Thanks.
Have you personally taken any exams yet? Let's start with that.
Obviously, the people who hate on NCARB are the ones who have failed an exam or two....or three.
Sparky83 wrote:Try getting a license without them. They are the sole gatekeepers, and answer to no one. The state boards just do what they are told.
Find a copy of Jared Zurn's resume'. He's the examination director. He started his career drawing house plans for a builder, but the business failed. He tried it on his own, but failed. Went from there to teaching drafting at a technical school. NCARB, in their infinite wisdom, decided this is what they wanted to direct the entire examination program.
Sparky83 wrote:gbalaka wrote:dab11 wrote:I see a lot of hate on here for NCARB. Just curious as to why some of you feel that way?
If this is not the place for such a discussion feel free to delete coach. Thanks.
Have you personally taken any exams yet? Let's start with that.
Obviously, the people who hate on NCARB are the ones who have failed an exam or two....or three.
Obviously? Assume much?
Try getting a license without them. They are the sole gatekeepers, and answer to no one. The state boards just do what they are told.
Find a copy of Jared Zurn's resume'. He's the examination director. He started his career drawing house plans for a builder, but the business failed. He tried it on his own, but failed. Went from there to teaching drafting at a technical school. NCARB, in their infinite wisdom, decided this is what they wanted to direct the entire examination program.
nickedemus wrote:I don't like NCARB because I think they are inefficient, redundant, and money-hungry.
boops wrote:nickedemus wrote:I don't like NCARB because I think they are inefficient, redundant, and money-hungry.
Some of what you are saying I agree with, but remember that NCARB is a non-profit organization. I have posted this elsewhere about an article from 2015 that talks about the cost of exam fees. I don't know if it is still accurate.
"The income generated by the ARE administrations only covers a portion of the expenses related to the development. A percentage of the exam fees are supplemented by registered architects who maintain their NCARB Certificate."
https://www.ncarb.org/blog/does-ncarb-profit-are
nickedemus wrote:for example, the CEO of NCARB made $434,789 in 2016--almost $9,700 per hour.
dab11 wrote:nickedemus wrote:for example, the CEO of NCARB made $434,789 in 2016--almost $9,700 per hour.
Not to distract from the overall conversation but you may want to double check your math
If they were making $9,700 per hour that'd be over $20,000,000 a year. If it was $434,789 more like $209/HR. (assuming 40 hour weeks...)
nickedemus wrote:dab11 wrote:nickedemus wrote:for example, the CEO of NCARB made $434,789 in 2016--almost $9,700 per hour.
Not to distract from the overall conversation but you may want to double check your math
If they were making $9,700 per hour that'd be over $20,000,000 a year. If it was $434,789 more like $209/HR. (assuming 40 hour weeks...)
Holy cow. I knew that looked outrageous. I forgot to multiply my denominator by 52. LOL!!
Ok, that brings the average salary down to $55/hr.
And the CEO put in 45 hours per week, so he's really only making $186/hr.
Still a nice salary.
*I fixed everything in my post.
gbalaka wrote:Haha! Either that or the CEO only worked for total of 45 hours in 2016.
nickedemus wrote:gbalaka wrote:Haha! Either that or the CEO only worked for total of 45 hours in 2016.
That would be a pretty sweet deal!
kerzzo wrote:nickedemus wrote:gbalaka wrote:Haha! Either that or the CEO only worked for total of 45 hours in 2016.
That would be a pretty sweet deal!
that IS still a pretty good deal at $209/hr---that's a Principal's deal in any firm in the US. right?
thd7t wrote:kerzzo wrote:nickedemus wrote:gbalaka wrote:Haha! Either that or the CEO only worked for total of 45 hours in 2016.
That would be a pretty sweet deal!
that IS still a pretty good deal at $209/hr---that's a Principal's deal in any firm in the US. right?
That's more like a Principal's billable rate!
jackstatic wrote:There are way too many "gotcha" questions and double negatives in my opinion to add to a timed and expensive exam.
jackstatic wrote:I do see Architects who shouldn't be licensed but are, and designers who aren't licensed but should be.
nickedemus wrote:
I think these trick questions are kind of underhanded. People aren't studying for reading comprehension. They go in expecting to be tested on technical concepts.
Sarcasmo wrote:Nickedemus -- I like your posts. But, I'm not really understanding your "trick question" angle. But I'm not mad, bro -- anyway, hey, you and me have this ARE thing in the rear view... which, upon remembering, should always call for a cold stout.
mjs wrote:If you refer to my post about how the ARE made me a worse architect, you will see that the secrecy that NCARB keeps about it's tests benefit no one except themselves. It makes no sense to have "minimum standards" then not actually provide study materials on the actual test. I failed one test (vignette) total and I couldn't have less respect for NCARB as an organization. I think they are an embarrassment to the profession and make the licensing process a laughingstock to other professions.
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