Zanno wrote:Here's one for y'all to chew on: at what point can I legitimately call myself an architect,
When the state gives you a license.
and be compensated as such,
That may never happen.
after completing all of my ARE and state licensing exams?
Nope.
NCARB is taking forever (going on week 4) to review my record and send it to the State. Not much I can do but be patient, the reason I ask the question is because I am looking at new job opportunities but want to be honest with my prospective employers about the status of my licensure, without selling myself short.
You say "licensure pending". If a prospective employer doesn't understand the process look elsewhere.
A friend of mine who is also waiting to do her oral interview/get her license number has been applying for jobs recently and was actually offered a position of 'Intern 4' or some nonsense like that, with a start date two days before she was going in front of the state board. This seems lame to me--technically she is not yet licensed but, she's 99.9% of the way there!
She should have completely covered the situation with prospective employer. If you don't speak up and present all information, what do you expect?
(Also, my state board meets every other month, which means the earliest Ill be licensed is October 31, even though I took my last exam on August 4th!) So, as a job applicant I am not yet 'licensed' but, being so close now, can I call myself an architect?
The short answer is no. The longer answer is HELL NO. And the even longer answer is, sure, go ahead, then when the board meets and is presented with evidence that you represented yourself as a licensed architect without having a license, they can tell you to take a hike.
Understood we are in the long game here, and we all believe in the sanctity of being licensed or else we wouldn't be going through this process... just curious to get some perspectives.
There is only one valid perspective. No number, no architect. And BTW, the moment you cross state line, no number in new state, no architect.
Zanno wrote:In no way am I suggesting that I would EVER represent myself as a licensed architect when I am not. Being very close to having a license number is not the same as being licensed, no if ands or buts about it.
Didn't you ask the question?
My friend did present all information at her interview, at some point it seems ridiculous to give someone a start date literally two days before they get their license -- frankly it feels like the company is trying to pay her as little as possible, If they had offered her a start date the following Monday, they would have to acknowledge she is not a fully licensed architect. Just presenting a real life case here.
You're reading way too much into it. If you want to do that, here's another possibility:
If they offered her "intern 4", to me that implies a large firm. So let's say the politics at that firm are such that principals get rewarded, or play a little game among themselves, for getting people under them licensed. So the person that wants her is looking at instant gratification.
Why doesn't she just ask them what she can expect when she gets her license. Odds are that nothing will change. You aren't automatically smarter or more competent the day after you get your license. If a firm changes your responsibilities, that's a different story.
They hired her now because they have the need now and she applied now. Who in the hell would say, "Wait, don't hire me yet, I'm getting my license soon!" That's beyond stupid.
And if she truly believes they're playing a game, why in the hell would she want to work there?
And things get really murky when people who aren't licensed call themselves architects...but it happens all the time.
It's not murky, it's illegal. It does happen all the time and when reported to the state board, websites are edited or taken down, and perpetrators are often fined.
Not saying I approve of it, just recognizing the title seems to mean different things to different people.
Uh, in our realm, no, it doesn't.
I see job postings for project architect that don't explicitly require a license, go figure.
Internal titles are meaningless. But if someone with that job has that title on their business card, it's a violation.
Also, if an architectural firm is advertising for a project architect, don't you think that having a license is implied?
Zanno wrote:Coach,
I do not believe that in our industry, the term architect automatically implies that you are a licensed architect. Or rather, I've seen lots of people call themselves by this name who did not have a license.
Zanno wrote: I do not believe that in our industry, the term architect automatically implies that you are a licensed architect. Or rather, I've seen lots of people call themselves by this name who did not have a license.
cloudyy wrote:Zanno wrote: I do not believe that in our industry, the term architect automatically implies that you are a licensed architect. Or rather, I've seen lots of people call themselves by this name who did not have a license.
Just because others do it doesn't make it right.
Coach wrote:Zanno wrote:Coach,
I do not believe that in our industry, the term architect automatically implies that you are a licensed architect. Or rather, I've seen lots of people call themselves by this name who did not have a license.
Oh, but it does. And if you call yourself an architect when not licensed, you are committing a crime.
tmston2 wrote:Can i work under the label I.T. architect in an architecture firm as a Project architect w/ no architecture license?
Zanno wrote:Not much I can do but be patient, the reason I ask the question is because I am looking at new job opportunities but want to be honest with my prospective employers about the status of my licensure, without selling myself short.
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