rwwon wrote:Hopefully in a few years there will be a reservoir of knowledge for 5.0 like there is for 4.0. that takes you into every nook and cranny of the case studies, similar to the step by step guides you could find for the vignettes. It's going to be a pioneering effort for a while and you are at the forefront.
Coach wrote:I tried to tell you guys to be careful what you wished for.
vrcat25 wrote:Coach wrote:I tried to tell you guys to be careful what you wished for.
I hear ya Coach and I should have listened to you. My thoughts before transitioning were, "How could 5.0 possibly be worse and anymore unfair than the subjective questions in PPP?" Man was i wrong!
chrisschumm wrote:vrcat25 wrote:Coach wrote:I tried to tell you guys to be careful what you wished for.
I hear ya Coach and I should have listened to you. My thoughts before transitioning were, "How could 5.0 possibly be worse and anymore unfair than the subjective questions in PPP?" Man was i wrong!
PPP was bad - but i feel either 4.0/ 5.0 its all the roll of the dice when it comes to the questions... I have another guy in my office doing the 5 test route.. and he is studying his a$$ off for his 5.0 tests and is stressing now that i've wrapped mine up in 4.0 so fast lol...
vrcat25 - you will crush em.... set a goal date to have them all done & plan a vacation or something awesome to reward yourself, you will push yourself through these, persistence will win!
Yew!
arman wrote:hi guys how does it work if you start with 4.0 then transition to 5.0 , can you go back ? Thanks
tom999w wrote:4.0 and 5.0 are NOT like real world architecture. I've worked in an architecture firm for almost ten years and have no idea where 90% of these test questions are stemming from. I skipped a grade in elementary school, took honors classes in high school, was on the deans list in college, attained several state licenses in other fields, and still can't pass these exams.
In addition, I'm very confident that the 54-78 percent 4.0 passing rates are highly inflated in order to give test takers some degree of hope that they might pass these exams. They also don't list how many failures a person received to attain one pass. I feel this way because I took an extra-curricular ARE study class three years in a row that started out with 75 students, all testing. At the end of each year, only 13 students passed the ARE. That comes out to 17.3% passing rate.
If the ARE was like real world architecture, then we would have a lot more justifiably licensed architects in the world and less people struggling to make sense of tests with absurd questions. I've never even heard the term "Wtf questions" until I've started studying for the ARE; is that a term that should even be associated with this exam? You would think that college, internship and studying would be more than enough to prepare you for any licensing exam.
It's very frustrating to have all these candidates putting their nose to the grindstone for up to nine years and running to the finish line, only to find that they're running into a stone wall. Alot of my architecture friends who couldn't pass the exams have since quit architecture and work in different fields. They too, were honors students in college.
I'm not asking NCARB to make the test easier by any means, but I'm pleading that they make the exams based on experiences found in reality, and not based on what was in the minds of the test creators on the particular day they'd decided to create these questions.
vrcat25 wrote:tom999w wrote:If you pass, all that proves is that you were either lucky or you think more like the boring minds that create the test.
nickedemus wrote:vrcat25 wrote:tom999w wrote:If you pass, all that proves is that you were either lucky or you think more like the boring minds that create the test.
That's a pretty lousy thing to say.
vrcat25 wrote:I'm sorry, but either the people who write these questions have no idea what they are doing or simply don't care. There should never be such obscure questions on a test and it's very disappointing that our licensure depends on such incompetence.
ncarb wrote:Each year, around 100 architects from across the country—plus a handful of specialty consultants such as engineers, code experts, and legal professionals—write questions for the exam and monitor the performance of current questions. Committee workgroups are structured to include volunteers with various levels of experience and backgrounds. Most of these volunteers tend to serve on their state board, but NCARB also invites recently licensed architects and other specialists to work on each of the divisions. In addition, recently licensed architects volunteer to test new graphic vignettes to help determine if they should be included in the future.
nickedemus wrote:
The questions are actually written by practicing architects.
https://www.ncarb.org/blog/who-develops-are
vrcat25 wrote:nickedemus wrote:It's nice that you're happy with these tests Nick.
nickedemus wrote:
I think the tests are over-designed, redundant, and inefficient. But they do address important concepts, however inefficiently. And they are passable, even by unlucky interesting people.
tom999w wrote:Are the people that passed these exams more superior and smarter than the ones who've taken them four times and failed? I highly doubt it.
tom999w wrote:More importantly than the ARE passing rates posted by NCARB, I wish they'd post the percentage of ARE candidates who put in their hard work of going to college and completing their internship who quit architecture because of the exams.
rwwon wrote:A good book comes to mind, its called "extreme ownership". Highly suggest reading it if you want to get out of this sort of mentality, otherwise, keep kicking the can around.
vrcat25 wrote:Thanks, but no thanks...I've had everybody under the sun trying to sell me books and I highly doubt another book will help with these tests...I've read MEEB, AHPP, Fundamentals of buildings design, much of graphics standards, building construction illustrated, Architects companion, heating, cooling and lighting, ballast are review manual and countless other sources. The LAST thing i need is another practice test or book....I'd rather spend my time kicking the can for another 2 months since no amount of studying will prepare me for the baseless questions on these tests.
vrcat25 wrote:Have you ever thought for a second that maybe some of the questions are missing information or incorrect Rwwon?
vrcat25 wrote:Do you think nothing should be done about it? For me, it's frustrating when $210 and countless hours of studying turn out to be a waste because MANY of the questions on the test are hypothetical and IMPOSSIBLE to study for or missing information.
vrcat25 wrote: I'm not the only one that's complained, but nothing has ever been done to correct bad questions that i can find.
vrcat25 wrote:Even after i pass the last 2 of these test (PPD and PDD), i will NEVER be proud of this process. In fact, i'm disgusted at the poor level of quality control for these tests. I'm not the first either. I know many people that are in the same position as me or others that have never had a problem with tests until getting hung up on NCARB's ARE. I also know many that have struggled and passed and still think these tests are a joke.
tom999w wrote:I knew it was just a matter time before someone harped in saying that we, the testers, are the ones to blame. So in other words, the tests are infallible and 83% of the people who are failing them are stupid pity seekers.
rwwon wrote:These questions aren't a direct one to one, regurgitation of wrote, memorized information, but rather they take a subject you may not be familiar with and ask you to make a judgement call on what is good, better, and best based on related topics you have studied.
rwwon wrote: Do you believe a bunch of clowns with no experience are just writing inane questions.
nickedemus wrote:rwwon wrote:These questions aren't a direct one to one, regurgitation of wrote, memorized information, but rather they take a subject you may not be familiar with and ask you to make a judgement call on what is good, better, and best based on related topics you have studied.
vrcat25 wrote:That's laughable because that's EXACTLY what some of them are.
rwwon wrote:You get some questions that are simple memorize and recall, but you mainly get what I call an application and synthesis of knowledge questions.
vrcat25 wrote:I mean, it sounds like a first grader wrote these. Any knowledgeable architect wouldn't be so subjective.
vrcat25 wrote:I think you're missing the point. Here's the question i propose to you and rwwon since you have admitted that some of the questions are bad, ambiguous and poorly written. "Is there any way to provide useful feedback to NCARB so that they may take a closer look at some questions that may be bad?
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