Equal change during Construction

Equal change during Construction

Postby Kirbart » Wed Oct 15, 2014 1:08 pm

During construction you decide to make an equal change on a material. The GC disagrees with you, what to do?

a. Consult with the owner
b. Issue a Change Order
c. Issue a change Directive
d. Issue Supplemental Instructions

1. 1 only
2. 1&3
3. 1&4
4. 1&2
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Re: Equal change during Construction

Postby BITINGTHEDUST » Wed Oct 15, 2014 1:39 pm

"equal change" means "work not materially different from CD", so architect can either determine by himself, or can have owner decide?

so answer is 3?
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Re: Equal change during Construction

Postby Coach » Wed Oct 15, 2014 3:21 pm

Kirbart wrote:During construction you decide to make an equal change on a material. The GC disagrees with you, what to do?

a. Consult with the owner
b. Issue a Change Order
c. Issue a change Directive
d. Issue Supplemental Instructions

A & C.
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Re: Equal change during Construction

Postby BITINGTHEDUST » Wed Oct 15, 2014 6:12 pm

is this Woo ?
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Re: Equal change during Construction

Postby Kirbart » Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:31 pm

Enchilada PS 1/ #31: David chose d.

I aggree with coach.
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Re: Equal change during Construction

Postby Coach » Wed Oct 15, 2014 9:50 pm

Kirbart wrote:Enchilada PS 1/ #31: David chose d.

D is only correct if GC agrees.

I aggree with coach.

The question above is a classic CCD scenario.
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Re: Equal change during Construction

Postby usa4 » Thu Oct 16, 2014 7:28 am

I think the important key phrase in the question is "during construction" & "gc not agreeing with architect."
That should signal a construction change order directive- which needs to be signed by owner and architect.
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Re: Equal change during Construction

Postby BITINGTHEDUST » Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:17 am

I still not smart enough to understand

>During construction you decide to make an equal change on a material. The GC disagrees with you, what to do?

Architect is the one who has right to make a final decision on if this material change could cause change in cost / time?
And, he DECIDED that he would make an EQUAL CHANGE.
So, I thought GC disagreed with architect, because he thought it could cause cost / time change,
but architect determined/judged that this is just a minor change without any change of cost or time.

So, architect can issue "d" regardless of contractor's opinion??

Plus, if architect think it's minor design related change, then he doesn't have to ask owner about this change?

Because, "d" requires only architect's signature, neither GC's nor owner's, which is quite different from the other two...

maybe I am very wrong somehwere...
please give me advice!
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Re: Equal change during Construction

Postby Kirbart » Thu Oct 16, 2014 10:21 am

Supplemental Instructions is used for an equal change or NO change in cost or time.
Const change directive is not signed by GC or if GC disagrees.
If GC disagrees then theres no use in using a change order as he probably will not sign it and a Const change directive will be required anyway.
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Re: Equal change during Construction

Postby BITINGTHEDUST » Thu Oct 16, 2014 12:13 pm

Kirbart wrote:Supplemental Instructions is used for an equal change or NO change in cost or time.
Const change directive is not signed by GC or if GC disagrees.
If GC disagrees then theres no use in using a change order as he probably will not sign it and a Const change directive will be required anyway.


So, I thought, as far as architect judged that this material change doesn't require any change in cost or time (= equal change), the architect can use Supplemental Instructions regardless of contractor's disagreement...
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Re: Equal change during Construction

Postby Kirbart » Thu Oct 16, 2014 12:19 pm

Agreed. Maybe they threw in the GC diagreeing as a distractor.
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Re: Equal change during Construction

Postby Coach » Thu Oct 16, 2014 3:52 pm

Kirbart wrote:Agreed. Maybe they threw in the GC diagreeing as a distractor.

No, that's the most important fact in the question.
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Re: Equal change during Construction

Postby Kirbart » Fri Oct 17, 2014 12:19 pm

Agreed, thanks Coach.
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Re: Equal change during Construction

Postby AREND » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:25 pm

Agree with Coach. I first went for 1 & 4, but the contractor's disagreement is the most important factor, since the Construction Change directive is the method spelled out in A201 to "obligate" the contractor to do the work.
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Re: Equal change during Construction

Postby beachboy » Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:05 am

Does that mean architect can only issue supplemental instructions when GC agrees with architect?
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Re: Equal change during Construction

Postby BITINGTHEDUST » Wed Nov 05, 2014 2:17 pm

beachboy wrote:Does that mean architect can only issue supplemental instructions when GC agrees with architect?


I have the same question...
Who deteremines if the material change is equal change (no change in cost or time), the architect? or the contractor??
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Re: Equal change during Construction

Postby Coach » Wed Nov 05, 2014 3:24 pm

In the scenario above, the architect determined that the substitution resulted in a no change in cost or time and issued supplemental instructions -- he had to communicate the change to the GC, otherwise, how would he know there would be a disagreement?

So clearly, "Issue supplemental instructions" can't be the correct answer.

Back to the scenario... The architect is wrong or the GC is playing hardball. In my experience, the former is more likely.

A few things that could impact cost and/or time that the architect didn't consider or properly research:

1) Additional lead time.
2) Higher material cost.
3) Original product already ordered and possibly in transit or on site.
4) Increased shipping charges.
5) Higher labor cost.
6) Higher cost of incidentals.
7) Increased installation time.

The proper thing to do is ask for a change order request to see what the GC proposes as an add. Since that's not an optional answer, a CCD is the only correct answer.
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Re: Equal change during Construction

Postby hnQ_9999 » Thu Apr 06, 2017 4:16 pm

Kirbart wrote:During construction you decide to make an equal change on a material. The GC disagrees with you, what to do?

a. Consult with the owner
b. Issue a Change Order
c. Issue a change Directive
d. Issue Supplemental Instructions

1. 1 only
2. 1&3
3. 1&4
4. 1&2


In this scenario the correct term is "substitute", and
I am not sure there is a term "equal change" in construction.
You make a change in color, in texture, etc...but you don't make
an "equal change" to anything...Or perhaps I didn't hear it yet.
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