Conflict between Specs & B101 - Methods

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Conflict between Specs & B101 - Methods

Postby Enzo » Wed Jun 15, 2016 8:41 am

Hi Team

I'm wondering if someone can shed light on why the Architect can list "Methods and Installation techniques" in the specifications, but the contracts, such as the B101 clearly state the following:

B101:
The Architect shall not have control over, charge of or responsibility for the constructions means, methods, techniques, sequences or procedures, or for safety precautions and programs in connection with the Work

Wouldn't describing methods and techniques of installation in the specs. conflict with this and enable the Architect to be held liable in the event of an incident?

Or perhaps is there a limit to the extent to which the Architect describes them.

Thanks so much as always
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Re: Conflict between Specs & B101 - Methods

Postby Buartser » Wed Jun 15, 2016 4:59 pm

As far as this goes, if you see a question asking you who is responsible for means and methods on the test, say it's the contractor. At the end of the day it is their responsibility.
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Re: Conflict between Specs & B101 - Methods

Postby Enzo » Wed Jun 15, 2016 6:22 pm

Thank you, Buartser, and noted.

I'm also interested to here how this plays out in general. In an age where architects are more and more engaged in the process of making, through innovative digital means and methods, I think this is a important topic to understand how to navigate.

Buartser wrote:As far as this goes, if you see a question asking you who is responsible for means and methods on the test, say it's the contractor. At the end of the day it is their responsibility.
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Re: Conflict between Specs & B101 - Methods

Postby vans9140 » Fri Jun 17, 2016 5:51 am

Enzo wrote:Thank you, Buartser, and noted.

I'm also interested to here how this plays out in general. In an age where architects are more and more engaged in the process of making, through innovative digital means and methods, I think this is a important topic to understand how to navigate.

Buartser wrote:As far as this goes, if you see a question asking you who is responsible for means and methods on the test, say it's the contractor. At the end of the day it is their responsibility.


All of that is all fine and good, but in NCARB land, the architect is NOT responsible for means and methods. Speculation on these topics will cause confusion.
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Re: Conflict between Specs & B101 - Methods

Postby NacerM » Fri Jun 17, 2016 11:32 am

AIA- A201_Article 3.3.
the architect may tell the contractor means and methods, the contractor is still responsible for it. the contractor shall review these means and methods from the architect. if the contractor finds no problem with its safety shall perform as it says and still responsible for the outcome. now If the contractor sees a safty problems wit the architect't means and methods must notify the architect and owner. if the owner insists on doing it the architect's way, than the responsibility will shift to the owner.
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Re: Conflict between Specs & B101 - Methods

Postby hnQ_9999 » Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:34 am

The "Installation" in P3 of Product Specification is the manufacturer installation guide, mostly.
GC will have to use that and combine w/ his experience to come up with shop drawing.
No architect's role in means & method of const (MMoC) here.

In rare case where CD called out for a particular MMoC,
as said in 3.3, after all due diligents, architect still not involves in MMoC.

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Re: Conflict between Specs & B101 - Methods

Postby corbismyhomeboy » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:55 am

Also a lot of times what's under Installation is very obvious stuff that you kind of have to just put in to CYA with a disclaimer to follow the manufacturer's installation instructions. Like 'the installation should be done in a neat and tidy manner, don't leave gaps, remove excess sealant,' etc., It kind of helps define the level of workmanship you are looking for when you punch.
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